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Post by Inu-papa on May 10, 2009 17:49:29 GMT -5
As for the Fluff-mama thing....Nameless people could become a theme of your story. I mean you have a name, its just that its not a name a human can pronounce ( Woof...WoOof...wuff...screw it) and you kept Akagane's name secret from us for quite a while. And heck, she's a dog too, for all she knows she has a name, a very nice name, but just has no way of conveying what it is in a human tongue. And now that I think on it, we don't know the name of your mother either. OR your father. Not naming parents is a lot easier than not naming love interests. A parent can always be referred to as "mother" or "father" in the narration without sounding awkward and can be addressed as such as well, so they can get away without being named. Akagane did go about five chapters before he was named, and simply the act of naming him gave him more of a "presence" in the overall relationship of things, whereas during the time he was just "man" or "taijiya", there'd been more of a sense of "distance" about his character, like he was separate from what was going on. So with Sessmom, I'm not really sure how I can manage to pull her into the story emotionally without ever naming her, because a lack of a name still makes the character seem distant and apart from the plot. The only possible reconciliation I can think of is if she has some sort of title that I can use to refer to her, sort of like how I have "Inu no Taishou". But something as stuffy as a title or epithet still gives too much of a sense of emotional disconnect with a character in my eyes. Though, I don't know if anyone's noticed, but even though Akagane's been named in the narration, I have still not yet once said his name aloud.  |
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Post by Taisira on May 10, 2009 19:05:10 GMT -5
O.O Whoa, wow! I didn't notice that. Will that be happening some time in the near future, with a shocked and/or pissed reaction from Akagane? Or am I way off the mark?
Edit: I am so sorry. You'd think English was ym second or third language, or that I'm dyslexic or something. I'll try to fix my mistakes when I catch them, but it's difficult.
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Post by Inu-papa on May 10, 2009 19:46:54 GMT -5
O.O Whoa, wow! I didn't notice that. Will that be happening some time in the near future, with a shocked and/or pissed reaction from Akagane? Or am I way off the mark? I'm actually... not sure. I've never really had a reason to address him as anything, and he's just only ever called me " bake-inu". If a logical opportunity arises, it may happen, but it's not something I'm really planning for one way or the other. |
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Post by puppykinns on May 10, 2009 20:21:11 GMT -5
Huh...I never really noticed that no, but its like you said, you never had a reason to. Ah for Fluffmama...Cross that bridge when you come to it I suppose; seeing as how you had to bring things like logic and realistic thinking into the mix (I joke, I joke). I'd say that if you ended up giving her a self-made name you could slap disclaimers and the like all over the page; but then that would break the suspension of disbelief and I think that if some one were to go around saying that your name for her was cannon, they wouldn't care much to read the disclaimer anyway. |
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Post by hanyounomiko on May 10, 2009 20:27:13 GMT -5
As for the Fluff-mama thing....Nameless people could become a theme of your story. I mean you have a name, its just that its not a name a human can pronounce ( Woof...WoOof...wuff...screw it) and you kept Akagane's name secret from us for quite a while. And heck, she's a dog too, for all she knows she has a name, a very nice name, but just has no way of conveying what it is in a human tongue. And now that I think on it, we don't know the name of your mother either. OR your father. Not naming parents is a lot easier than not naming love interests. A parent can always be referred to as "mother" or "father" in the narration without sounding awkward and can be addressed as such as well, so they can get away without being named. Akagane did go about five chapters before he was named, and simply the act of naming him gave him more of a "presence" in the overall relationship of things, whereas during the time he was just "man" or "taijiya", there'd been more of a sense of "distance" about his character, like he was separate from what was going on. So with Sessmom, I'm not really sure how I can manage to pull her into the story emotionally without ever naming her, because a lack of a name still makes the character seem distant and apart from the plot. The only possible reconciliation I can think of is if she has some sort of title that I can use to refer to her, sort of like how I have "Inu no Taishou". But something as stuffy as a title or epithet still gives too much of a sense of emotional disconnect with a character in my eyes. Though, I don't know if anyone's noticed, but even though Akagane's been named in the narration, I have still not yet once said his name aloud. Hnngh....yeah, I understand the Sessmom issue. I ran into the same issue with a doujin I've been working on. It's like...giving her a name seems awkward and uncomfortable, but it would also be strange for some characters to address her without using a name of some sort. Then its like what do you do? It's weird and uncomfortable either way, so you're stuck. Ahh, I had noticed that, but it never seemed to me like there's been an opportunity for Little!Papa to use the name without it sounding strange (or, uh...potentially getting you killed, for that matter). |
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Post by Inu-papa on May 10, 2009 20:27:15 GMT -5
Huh...I never really noticed that no, but its like you said, you never had a reason to. Ah for Fluffmama...Cross that bridge when you come to it I suppose; seeing as how you had to bring things like logic and realistic thinking into the mix (I joke, I joke). I'd say that if you ended up giving her a self-made name you could slap disclaimers and the like all over the page; but then that would break the suspension of disbelief and I think that if some one were to go around saying that your name for her was cannon, they wouldn't care much to read the disclaimer anyway. At the moment I'm rolling around the idea of her being reluctant to give me a name and instead have some sort of title that I just truncate and use as a name. Either that or she, I dunno, have amnesia or something and doesn't even know her name herself, so we make one up. Either way, an original name for her is probably going to be necessary to be able to keep her a major player in the story without references to her being awkward, but perhaps I could name her in the story in such a way that it's clear that it's not "actually" her name, but it's just what I'm using for convenience. Sort of like how Hisui calls me "Wan-chan". |
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Post by puppykinns on May 10, 2009 20:40:43 GMT -5
At the moment I'm rolling around the idea of her being reluctant to give me a name and instead have some sort of title that I just truncate and use as a name. Right then. . . . ...Inutaisho :3 . . . Sorry...couldn't help myself there. Either that or she, I dunno, have amnesia or something and doesn't even know her name herself, so we make one up. Either way, an original name for her is probably going to be necessary to be able to keep her a major player in the story without references to her being awkward, but perhaps I could name her in the story in such a way that it's clear that it's not "actually" her name, but it's just what I'm using for convenience. Sort of like how Hisui calls me "Wan-chan". Hm...I'm actually a fan of both the first and last ideas presented there. I don't know what light you'll end up casting on her in the story, but I always just kind of imagined her being Sesshy's twin when it comes to personality; aloof and distant, but introspective and deep. Giving her a name by essentially giving her a nick name would, at least the way I see her being in my mind, give a sense of distance as well as closeness; in that she didn't give you her real name but aloud you to call her by a kind of pet name. (Agh, I don't even want to think about how bad the grammar in that is.) |
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Post by hanyounomiko on May 10, 2009 20:56:06 GMT -5
Huh...I never really noticed that no, but its like you said, you never had a reason to. Ah for Fluffmama...Cross that bridge when you come to it I suppose; seeing as how you had to bring things like logic and realistic thinking into the mix (I joke, I joke). I'd say that if you ended up giving her a self-made name you could slap disclaimers and the like all over the page; but then that would break the suspension of disbelief and I think that if some one were to go around saying that your name for her was cannon, they wouldn't care much to read the disclaimer anyway. At the moment I'm rolling around the idea of her being reluctant to give me a name and instead have some sort of title that I just truncate and use as a name. Either that or she, I dunno, have amnesia or something and doesn't even know her name herself, so we make one up. Either way, an original name for her is probably going to be necessary to be able to keep her a major player in the story without references to her being awkward, but perhaps I could name her in the story in such a way that it's clear that it's not "actually" her name, but it's just what I'm using for convenience. Sort of like how Hisui calls me "Wan-chan". There's always the Ichihara Yuuko route of having her give a name and then having her immediately specify that that's not her actual name (That sprang to mind because I always think of Sessmom's character as being similar to Yuuko). That would also make sense within the old Japanese tradition of giving girls "public" names that differ from their "real" names to avoid people using their real names against them in some sort of supernatural fashion. |
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Post by ladyjanegrey on May 12, 2009 15:54:57 GMT -5
Oh, ho! That opens a new line of thought. That the youkai of the Shikon no Tama calls you a "Koma-inu;" you would think a powerful supernatural would recognize the nature of another. (I knew it.) So, off you go on another run around the island of Nihon. Huh...I never really noticed that no, but its like you said, you never had a reason to. Ah for Fluffmama...Cross that bridge when you come to it I suppose; seeing as how you had to bring things like logic and realistic thinking into the mix (I joke, I joke). I'd say that if you ended up giving her a self-made name you could slap disclaimers and the like all over the page; but then that would break the suspension of disbelief and I think that if some one were to go around saying that your name for her was cannon, they wouldn't care much to read the disclaimer anyway. At the moment I'm rolling around the idea of her being reluctant to give me a name and instead have some sort of title that I just truncate and use as a name. Either that or she, I dunno, have amnesia or something and doesn't even know her name herself, so we make one up. Either way, an original name for her is probably going to be necessary to be able to keep her a major player in the story without references to her being awkward, but perhaps I could name her in the story in such a way that it's clear that it's not "actually" her name, but it's just what I'm using for convenience. Sort of like how Hisui calls me "Wan-chan". Well, you certainly couldn't go around calling her "Hey, You!" all the time. Not If you want to have a good relationship. ;D Names though, usually "mean" something. Mine, for example, is Donna, Italian for "lady" (think Madonna; no, NOT her!); Louise, from the male Louis, French for "famous in battle." Lovely, don't you think? Haha. So what would "woof" mean in human? Then it would be sort of a nickname for you. Of course, in many cultures, children are given "baby" (usually silly) names. Then when they reach a certain age, are given, or chose an "adult" name. So the name your mother called you, wouldn't necessarily be your "true" name. Oh, decisions, decisions.  |
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Post by milareppa on May 12, 2009 15:56:41 GMT -5
Well, my solution to the problem when it cropped up for me when planning a story I'm writing, is this:
I went the Heian route - where a lady simply doesn't have a public name and is known by a title, such as a particular feature, or a relationship to a significant male (think of the Mother of Michitsune, for an historical example... or better yet, Murasaki Shikibu, herself, known by her father's rank and her most famous female character in The Tale of Genji).
She's named by characters in the story, based on geographic location, or relationship to a significant male relative (in my story's case, she's the "Daughter of <insert her father's title here>". To other characters, she has different names), etc.
If she chooses to reveal her actual name in private to a man... well, that could be a most significant gesture, I would think.
Anyway, that's my method of handling the problem. From your point of view, you've already set a precendent in these memoirs for characters being named and renamed by others as the story progresses, so having it happen to her wouldn't exactly be strange or unusual. It's a thought anyway.
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Post by puppykinns on May 14, 2009 10:39:12 GMT -5
Thoroughly enjoyable! The end was darling, if I do say so myself, but I admit, I lost a little bit of interest when I saw the title x.x. It was through no fault of your own, don't get me wrong the idea that everything in life is bound to everything else is an interesting one; its just that I've seen that theme over and over again in images and other stories. So much so that the idea has now lost some of its initial intrigue. But you only really mentioned it in...well it wasn't quite 'in passing', it was talked about for a good portion of this chapter; however its not an idea that you've been shoving down our throats or dedicated the chapter in its entirety to. I remember once reading a Card Capter Sakura story that was fantastically written and interesting...buuuuut that doesn't change the fact that she droned on for a very lengthily chapter about the main character being caught up in all the different colored cords that bound her to different people and what not. Really what it comes down to is that I by no means am against the analogy you used. I actually feel that it was a great way to explain things. Not only did you get your point across, but the readers don't have to sit there and think about what it was you were trying to say. Its just that the idea, for me at least, isn't anything new.
I'm happy that you two returned to the tainted forest! I...honestly kinda forgot about it and that there was an unresolved story arch; which is fine for now, but it would have been bad if I'd gone back to read the story over again from the beginning only to find out that major sub-plots were hung out to dry and never taken in again.
I'm also expecting a lot of goofy chapter images to come of this one :3. I'm swamped with work and actually waiting on a tablet I ordered to come in (not that I'll draw any better >.o) so people with a means of drawing out adorably funny things on the computer! I leave it to you! I mean...come on! Every five steps Lil' Papa was walking into an invisible wall! ADORABLE 'FIGHT' AT THE END! ...
Okay I'll stop procrastinating and get back to things like...life and work and making a living now...*grumble*
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Post by Inu-papa on May 14, 2009 15:12:19 GMT -5
Thoroughly enjoyable! The end was darling, if I do say so myself, but I admit, I lost a little bit of interest when I saw the title x.x. It was through no fault of your own, don't get me wrong the idea that everything in life is bound to everything else is an interesting one; its just that I've seen that theme over and over again in images and other stories. So much so that the idea has now lost some of its initial intrigue. But you only really mentioned it in...well it wasn't quite 'in passing', it was talked about for a good portion of this chapter; however its not an idea that you've been shoving down our throats or dedicated the chapter in its entirety to. I remember once reading a Card Capter Sakura story that was fantastically written and interesting...buuuuut that doesn't change the fact that she droned on for a very lengthily chapter about the main character being caught up in all the different colored cords that bound her to different people and what not. Really what it comes down to is that I by no means am against the analogy you used. I actually feel that it was a great way to explain things. Not only did you get your point across, but the readers don't have to sit there and think about what it was you were trying to say. Its just that the idea, for me at least, isn't anything new. I actually had the same opinion when I had it proofread. When I handed the chapter over, I was like, "Meh, I think it kind of drags, but the information is necessary to get out." I was originally going to have the jewel explain it mid-battle, but that seemed like an awkward place to do it. Not to mention I knew we'd need a breather from running and needed to come up with something for us to do. Pretty much anything that's been brought up will eventually be re-addressed and resolved. I try to keep "fluff" to a minimum, so if it's mentioned, it'll be important at some point. I was actually debating whether or not to use the "fight" at the end as the chapter image, given that it's, well, kinda high on the bare skin content. But I just doodled it for the heck of it and it ended up adoreable. Though contextually it's totally innocent and anyone insisting on sexualizing it just because of the lack of clothing has some issues to address. It's not like you can see anything. |
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Post by puppykinns on May 14, 2009 16:23:40 GMT -5
I was actually debating whether or not to use the "fight" at the end as the chapter image, given that it's, well, kinda high on the bare skin content. But I just doodled it for the heck of it and it ended up adoreable. Though contextually it's totally innocent and anyone insisting on sexualizing it just because of the lack of clothing has some issues to address. It's not like you can see anything. Alright, if anything, I would go in the opposite direction from seeing anything sexual in it and say "oh-em-gee! He's holding you up by your tail! That has to hurt! PAPA ABUSE!!" |
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Post by Taisira on May 14, 2009 17:20:41 GMT -5
That is so cute! I just finished the chapter, and while I did feel like it dragged a little in places, the cute "fluff" scene at the end was worth it. The illustration was so adorably cute, especially with Akagane's hair in your mouth. ^_^
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Post by Inu-papa on May 15, 2009 16:51:45 GMT -5
Was in a bit of a doodley mood again, so did something from chapter 27 that was kinda cute:  |
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