Sesshy and Kagura, what do u think?

[ana1a]

I'm sorry if u don't like this couple , but I was just dieing 2 know, what u think of them and what r ur reasons? I think that they r probably attracted 2 each other. If u don't agree feel free 2 say so.

[mouryoumaru808]

This subject tends to be somewhat " sensitive " in some cases. For example, there are many, many fans who WANT them to be a couple, ( which I respect ) but sometimes because many of them are dying to see Sesshoumaru and / or Kagura show compassion or because these are often very loved characters; and others know or believe that they are not " relationship material " and do not wish to make all types of assumptions.

I believe that they do not make a good couple, and in canon, they are not a couple, and never will be. Kagura appeared to have respect for Sesshoumaru ( which mainly came from the fact that Sesshoumaru is strong and she believed that he is / was a potential Naraku-killer -- which would have set her free ), and probably lust also, but it never appeared ( or at least not to me ) that she truly *cared* for him -- as a person / Youkai. As for Sesshoumaru, he does not appear to truly care for anyone other than himself, and he also seemed to have 0-attraction to Kagura. I am aware that he liked or respected her *a little* at one point, but in my opinion, it was NOT enough to assume that he believed she had the potential to be his Girlfriend -- his " respect " or " like " for her did not seem any different from what he feels for Jaken or Rin-- but more than likely LESS. But serioudly, a good-looking Man liking or respecting a good-looking Woman does not always mean that he likes her in " that way ", and the other way around

This is my opinion.

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I don't know how up to date you are in the story, and I don't want to be a spoiler, but I've read until the latest chapter of the manga and all I can say is: Sesshoumaru and Kagura _{ARE CANON}.
Takahashi has been always pretty obviuos about it, they are mutually attracted. And, They are youkais! of course they will never have a "normal" boyfriend-girlfriend relationship, but Sesshoumaru actually cares for her, believe me, call it "love" or not, the tension between those two is far more interesting than the majority of the "normal relationships" running in that show.

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I've just realized that if your nickname is "Moryoumaru808" you Must be up to date with the story, so, I don't get it, you think they are not canon? Okay. It's your point of view anyway. For me, it's the most canon you could ever get in the way Sesshoumaru's character is developed. I mean, He wanted to save her, by heart (call it compassion if you want, it's still a big advantage, Sesshoumaru doesn't show compassion for anyone) the man was almost killed just for defending the girl's honor, after that, he got a new tenseiga's ability as a reward for his "change of heart", wich means Kagura is the only being ever that had made him actually feel something. And now, he finally got a personal reason to kill Naraku, wich is no other than make sure she is revenged! He've never said something like that before.... and you still say he care LESS for her than for his companions? I don't think so. I know that the love-relationship is pretty screwed at this point, but the basics were there: physical attraction and a growing feeling, wich, for me, is something. Come on!, it's Sesshoumaru! a frying pan is lotta more expressive.

[mouryoumaru808]

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I've just realized that if your nickname is "Moryoumaru808" you Must be up to date with the story, so, I don't get it, you think they are not canon? Okay. It's your point of view anyway. For me, it's the most canon you could ever get in the way Sesshoumaru's character is developed. I mean, He wanted to save her, by heart (call it compassion if you want, it's still a big advantage, Sesshoumaru doesn't show compassion for anyone) the man was almost killed just for defending the girl's honor, after that, he got a new tenseiga's ability as a reward for his "change of heart", wich means Kagura is the only being ever that had made him actually feel something. And now, he finally got a personal reason to kill Naraku, wich is no other than make sure she is revenged! He've never said something like that before.... and you still say he care LESS for her than for his companions? I don't think so. I know that the love-relationship is pretty screwed at this point, but the basics were there: physical attraction and a growing feeling, wich, for me, is something. Come on!, it's Sesshoumaru! a frying pan is lotta more expressive.

I am up to date; do not worry.

You have made good points and provided proof, but there is still no proof that Sesshoumaru and Kagura were a potential couple, in my opinion. I agree, he cared for her in some way -- a bit, but he still showed no signs of being physically attracted to her, so I have no idea where you got that from. However, Kagura did say he was beautiful, so she was obviously attracted to him ( like I said, it was quite possibly lust and respect ).

Sesshoumaru did get nearly killed because Mouryoumaru insulted Kagura, but have you forgotten how much Sesshoumaru and Inu-Yasha hates Mouryoumaru and Naraku? I am certain that they would get mad even if Mouryoumaru / Naraku insulted Dog-Crap -- that is how they are ( remember how mad Inu-Yasha got after Naraku insulted Bankotsu -- the man who just beat the crap out of him minutes earlier? ). Of course, he did not appreciate Kagura being insulted, but we must consider the hatred thing as well^_^

I believe that Sesshoumaru is simply developing, and the Kagura-thing sort of happened at the " right " time, so if something had happened to Rin or Jaken around that time, then how do you know that he would not have acted just as, or even more compassionately? Since he did not care to save Kagura from the river, ( he probably assumed she was dead and did not appear to care ONE BIT -- and this was what, 2 days before she had died? ) I believe that she is not cared for more than Rin and Jaken...I am fairly certain that Sesshoumaru would have been at least * a little * concerned if he saw Jaken or Rin appearently dead due to an unknown reason. Also, there is nothing that fully proves Sesshoumaru wishes to kill Naraku more than ever SIMPLY because he killed Kagura ( to me, most of all of his anger appeared to be directed towards Mouryoumaru, who is dead ).

We all have our different opinions, and we should not try to change them unless we are proven totally wrong, in my opinion. However, even though I do not consider Sesshoumaru to have deep feelings for Kagura, my opinon WILL change if he brings her name up again and appears to think of her more dearly.

And like I said earlier: bias truly does interfere with debates such as these, because some of us WANT them to be a couple, and others DO NOT. However, my opinons are NEVER biased -- that is how I was raised, which is why I base my opinons on what I have read and seen -- facts^_^

EDIT: Why are you not registered? I am certain that Patches would appreciate it if you registered. And besides, this is a great forum with adorable Avatars!

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I agree with what you said, we have to talk with FACTS. Everything I said is fact. it's not a "fan-thing", it's a Takahashi's thing. You may think I'm and had always been a rabid fan of the couple, sorry, i'm not. Actually I was very surprised with the whole sesshoumaru-get's angry-because-Kagura-was-insulted and the Tenseiga thing afterwards, but it was there, I'm not making it up. I was like: "what?, where all this came from? I rechecked the manga and I realized the hints were always there, in a very subtle way. Oh yes, Kagura liked Him, she said it, and he never said something like that, okay. But you forget they are totally different characters, Kagura speak out loud her feelings and toughts, Sesshoumaru doesn't. And about letting her go with the river, and not caring at all, well, when Rin got kidnapped by Kagura, Sesshoumaru stated: "does Naraku think I'm going to follow his orders for a human girl's sake", he disobeyed him and you could say at first, he doesn't give a damn about the girl, right? And yes, Inuyasha uses to get upset about a lot of things, but, how many times you can see Sesshoumaru losing control like that? Moryoumaru taking up memories of Kagura was pretty useless at the time he did, it was just an excuse, a Rumiko's excuse for what? To make Sesshoumaru angry! You say it's only character development, I agree, but, that's exactly the point: why Kagura? it could have been Jaken or Rin, as you said, but the FACT is: they weren't. Takahashi decided it will be Kagura the one who will make the change happen, is that a fan-thing? She is showing a face we have never seen of him and he used Kagura to do so. That means something to me.
I agree completely with you, at this point, all we can do is to wait and see what the author herself decide to do with her story, but you cannot deny she is making a connection between Sesshoumaru and Kagura, if you don't want to call it "love" or "romance", okay, don't do it, but the connection is there. It's a fact.

[mouryoumaru808]

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I agree with what you said, we have to talk with FACTS. Everything I said is fact. it's not a "fan-thing", it's a Takahashi's thing. You may think I'm and had always been a rabid fan of the couple, sorry, i'm not. Actually I was very surprised with the whole sesshoumaru-get's angry-because-Kagura-was-insulted and the Tenseiga thing afterwards, but it was there, I'm not making it up. I was like: "what?, where all this came from? I rechecked the manga and I realized the hints were always there, in a very subtle way. Oh yes, Kagura liked Him, she said it, and he never said something like that, okay. But you forget they are totally different characters, Kagura speak out loud her feelings and toughts, Sesshoumaru doesn't. And about letting her go with the river, and not caring at all, well, when Rin got kidnapped by Kagura, Sesshoumaru stated: "does Naraku think I'm going to follow his orders for a human girl's sake", he disobeyed him and you could say at first, he doesn't give a damn about the girl, right? And yes, Inuyasha uses to get upset about a lot of things, but, how many times you can see Sesshoumaru losing control like that? Moryoumaru taking up memories of Kagura was pretty useless at the time he did, it was just an excuse, a Rumiko's excuse for what? To make Sesshoumaru angry! You say it's only character development, I agree, but, that's exactly the point: why Kagura? it could have been Jaken or Rin, as you said, but the FACT is: they weren't. Takahashi decided it will be Kagura the one who will make the change happen, is that a fan-thing? She is showing a face we have never seen of him and he used Kagura to do so. That means something to me.
I agree completely with you, at this point, all we can do is to wait and see what the author herself decide to do with her story, but you cannot deny she is making a connection between Sesshoumaru and Kagura, if you don't want to call it "love" or "romance", okay, don't do it, but the connection is there. It's a fact.

Yes, I agree with practically everything that you had said, but i simply want to correct you by saying that I never said that " everything " is a fan-thing; I was merely saying that thinking of them as a couple, or close may be mostly a fan-thing, but that is only because it never got to that, and Sesshoumaru still did not appear to be attracted to her.

And I agree, Sesshoumaru did act a bit careless towards Rin, but the answer to that is simple -- his ego gets into the way, so his somewhat petty reason for wanting to kill Naraku was most likely more important than saving Rin. Actually, when I think about it, Sesshoumaru not only hides his feelings a bit, but he is also somewhat careless towards things or people that he seemingly cares for -- but usually when Naraku is around. However, I do know that Sesshoumaru killing Naraku is more important to him than anyone / anything else, ( again, his ego is huge ) since he was willing to let Jaken die from Naraku's shouki just so he could have had a better chance at killing Naraku.

But yes, I agree with you for the most part,

peace.

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The only universally accepted Inuyasha canon should be: Sesshoumaru/Sesshoumaru.

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Peace.

[Ryuura]

NEVER, they look really bad together, even though Sesshoumaru seems to have a little crush on her, but I really don't think they would look good together, plus Kagura is trying to use Sesshoumaru anyways, so why should they be together when they are just going to use each other ...

[ranuel]

Plus there is that whole Kagura being dead thing but then maybe having dead girlfriends runs in the family.

[Ryuura]

That is so true, well Kag. isn't really dead, but when you think about it, she DID come from a Guy ... ew.

[ranuel]

Kagura's not dead? Do you mean that you go with the theory that she became one with the wind and her soul's still lurking out there? That still would put her in the undead catagory with Kikyou to me.

[Cookies n Cream]

I agree that Sesshoumaru and Kagura may have had a "connection", but the couple is/was not cannon, IMHO.

[Ryuura]

I don't really like her so like ... end d^__^b