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Post by Inu-papa on Feb 26, 2009 21:42:55 GMT -5
Wow... what kind of trend have I started? XD
Now no one's ever going to be able to take the guy seriously again. Assuming anyone could in the first place. ^_^*
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Post by puppykinns on Feb 26, 2009 22:58:18 GMT -5
Wow... what kind of trend have I started? XD Now no one's ever going to be able to take the guy seriously again. Assuming anyone could in the first place. ^_^* After your last little picture? No Inu-Papa...I don't think I'll ever be able to consider his character again with out seeing him hiding a bucket, excuse me, bukket, behind his back. |
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Post by ladyjanegrey on Feb 27, 2009 20:03:19 GMT -5
Wow... what kind of trend have I started? XD Now no one's ever going to be able to take the guy seriously again. Assuming anyone could in the first place. ^_^* Considering his character, I never took him seriously at all. ;D |
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Post by ladyjanegrey on Mar 3, 2009 20:18:25 GMT -5
So............., she's not alive, but she's only partially dead. Humf. Hey, maybe that's why she was smooching you! She was trying to get another soul!  Pretty flower sword. Who was wielding the sword when it was broken? It doesn't look like a boy's weapon. And how did it get broken? And is this why Akagane became a youkai hunter? Is he the first? MORE QUESTIONS! Sorry 'bout that! Heeheeheehee............................... ;D |
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Post by Inu-papa on Mar 3, 2009 20:28:40 GMT -5
So............., she's not alive, but she's only partially dead. Humf. Hey, maybe that's why she was smooching you! She was trying to get another soul! Pretty flower sword. Who was wielding the sword when it was broken? It doesn't look like a boy's weapon. And how did it get broken? And is this why Akagane became a youkai hunter? Is he the first? MORE QUESTIONS! Sorry 'bout that! Heeheeheehee............................... ;D It's not really a weapon at all, it's an ornament, it's just all he had available at the time. ^_^* There were a couple of other bits of explanation than I wanted to put in this chapter that I simply couldn't make the conversation naturally flow into, so they'll probably have to come up later. |
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Post by puppykinns on Mar 4, 2009 0:24:30 GMT -5
Aaahhh so the flower sword is ornamental. That's a bit reassuring then. I got a little worried that you were venturing into the realm of impractical fan made weapons that could never actually work if put under a real world trial...
Then again...Most of anime has done that...a usable flower sword would, in actuality, be one of the more realistic weapons to be put out there (especially if its compared to a fang-sword that can change in size, has a multitude of attacks that can range from the norm of killing something to the outlandish like breaking down a barrier, and more importantly can be used in an argument of extreme penis envy.)
I don't even know if any of that made sense...:x
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Post by Inu-papa on Mar 4, 2009 9:50:44 GMT -5
Aaahhh so the flower sword is ornamental. That's a bit reassuring then. I got a little worried that you were venturing into the realm of impractical fan made weapons that could never actually work if put under a real world trial... Yeah, I was really trying to put an explicit mention of this in there, but I couldn't find any natural-sounding point in the conversation to let it drop. Hopefully I'll be able to work a line like that in the next chapter or so, illustrating that he got a lot of wealth and reputation making these fancy ornamental weapons, but when it came time to protect his sister, they proved utterly worthless in real combat and he abandoned it in favor of more practical weaponry. If you can consider a six-foot gigantic spear "practical".  Crazily enough, a decent portion of what's already happened is necessary backstory in an attempt to believably explain how Tessaiga and Tenseiga actually work. ^_^* |
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Post by puppykinns on Mar 4, 2009 10:08:45 GMT -5
More practical than a hole in a bukket :3. And hey if it makes what ever he's attacking it with more than just 'mostly dead' like his sister there, who am I to judge?
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Post by Inu-papa on Mar 4, 2009 11:36:35 GMT -5
More practical than a hole in a bukket :3. And hey if it makes what ever he's attacking it with more than just 'mostly dead' like his sister there, who am I to judge? Actually, that spear would be pretty much useless in reality. ^_^* There's so much weight at one end that the handle would snap instantly if it was struck against anything with any real force. Although, maybe the handle is merely a hollow wooden tube with a steel rod down the middle for reinforcement. It would make the whole thing even heavier, but in a way that would redistribute the weight more evenly and keep the center of gravity further down the grip instead of concentrated at the top, not to mention it would be sturdier. So, um, sure. I'll go with it. XD |
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Post by Inu-papa on Mar 4, 2009 13:10:00 GMT -5
Because I am a TOTAL DORK, physics of Sansazume, in reality:
Assuming the handle was indeed reinforced with a solid steel rod, the handle alone would weigh about 10kg.
The weight of the tip depends on the size of the blades, which keep changing every time I draw it. Going off the profile image, I'm going to treat each "claw" as a 1 meter-long equilateral triangle with a base of 20cm for calculation purposes, and since I don't want to get into integrals dealing with the variation of width of the blades, I'm just going to say the blades "average" a width of 2cm and treat it like a flat sheet. So that makes the claw blades an extra 32kg EACH (assuming a density similar to steel, they're actually made of bone).
As for the tip, if the two claw blades are each a meter long and wrap around in a semicircular fashion, then for the middle tip to reach the same distance out, it would have to be a little over 60cm long (yes, that's HUGE). Because it's a weird "kite" shape and I don't feel like going into exacting calculations concerning its volume, I'm just going to treat it as having the equivalent mass of a solid steel sphere 30cm in diameter that was then hammered out. Such a sphere would weigh 113kg.
The pommel is a hollow metal sphere filled with whatever's convenient at the time though likely something far less dense than steel, therefore that section would add 1kg to the weight at most.
All together, then, Sansazume would weigh approximately 188kg, 177 of that just being the blade section. For the Americans here, that's 413 pounds. For a bit of perspective, that's approximately the equivalent of swinging a full-grown dolphin around. And even with the weighted handle, its center of gravity would still be all of 6cm below the base of the tip, meaning it would still be exceedingly top-heavy.
... And now I want to draw a picture of Akagane fighting with a dolphin. This poor guy is never going to stop being picked on. XD;
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Post by puppykinns on Mar 4, 2009 14:28:50 GMT -5
I'd ask my friend the physics major to look over your calculations and dumb it down for me but she's off getting her some learning and edumatation at skule...so, while I'd like to form a response that shows I understood all of that, I'll just go with the dumb puppy response and say "Wow that's a lot! Now just tell me the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow (African swallow, just for the fun of it) and I'll be truly impressed." How ever, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you doing that . Reminds me of happy times... And anyway, you've done Inuyasha fighting with a sword fish...Akagane loving on his bukket...why not draw him smacking some one around with an adult Bottle Nosed Dolphin? Or better yet, why not draw the two of them fighting each other in a Fish on Mammal free for all!? |
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Post by Inu-papa on Mar 4, 2009 15:55:29 GMT -5
I'd ask my friend the physics major to look over your calculations and dumb it down for me but she's off getting her some learning and edumatation at skule...so, while I'd like to form a response that shows I understood all of that, I'll just go with the dumb puppy response and say "Wow that's a lot! Now just tell me the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow (African swallow, just for the fun of it) and I'll be truly impressed." How ever, I can't tell you how much I appreciate you doing that . Reminds me of happy times... Calculations were based on the following mostly BSed assumptions: Density of steel ~ 8000kg/m^3 Dimensions of handle: Cylinder with length of 2m and diameter of 4cm. Volume = pi*r^2 * L Dimensions of blades: Equilateral triangular plates of height 1m, base of 20cm, and width of 2cm. Volume = b*h*w Dimensions of tip: Irregular shape substituded with a spherical mass 30cm in diameter. Volume = 4/3*pi*r^3 Assuming solid steel or similarly dense material for all items. Mass = density * volume Some calculations that I'd also be curious to see, but don't have the proper mechanics background to do, would be how much stress a weapon like that could take. I know you'd have to find the tensile strength of a steel bar 4cm in diameter, then assume that when swung, the pivot of its rotation is at the center of the handle (1m from the tip), then figure out how much strain a 177kg weight at the end of something like that would cause it when swung and impacted to varying degrees. Probably has something to do with moments of inertia that I was never any good at in school. |
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Post by puppykinns on Mar 4, 2009 16:05:36 GMT -5
*brain falls out and rolls down the stares* Y..yes...moments of inertia and...things. x.x. I really wish I could follow all of that more than half way but...mathematics and I don't mix too well unfortunately...Still, very impressive on your behalf! ^^
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Post by Inu-papa on Mar 4, 2009 16:15:31 GMT -5
I re-did the calculations using dimensions more akin to what his spear looked like in my initial drawing of him, in the illustration for chapter 16.
Still assuming a handle length of 2m and width of 4cm, so that's still 10kg.
Blades now 50cm long, 10cm wide, 2cm thick. They've been knocked down to 8kg apiece.
Tip now 30cm long, substituted with sphere of diameter 15cm. Now weighs 14kg.
Pommel still ~1kg.
So with these new dimensions, Sansazume now weighs only 41kg, or about 90lbs. Way, WAY more manageable than that monstrosity in the profile. XD; Still pretty darn heavy, though.
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Post by puppykinns on Mar 4, 2009 17:15:11 GMT -5
That is rather heavy but at least he has the capacity to lift it now. Now weather he could (as well as how fast he could) maneuver it is a different story...To me he looks kinda stringy..but I never underestimate the stringy guys..they're stronger than they look x.X.
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