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Post by Patches on Oct 3, 2009 13:39:19 GMT -5
Inuyasha Kanketsu-hen is now playing every Sunday morning at 2:20am on NTV in Japan! Here's how to watch it: ShonenSunday.com (subtitled, new episodes up every Saturday evening) Hulu.com (same thing as on the Shonen Sunday site) KeyHole TV (watch Japanese TV live streaming) |
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Post by Patches on Oct 3, 2009 13:40:29 GMT -5
My summary and review of episode 1 is already up at Inu Goya (omg, I actually updated that old site). However, we can use this thread for a more communal discussion of the episodes as they air.
The first episode can be pretty much summed up as: "HOLY PACING ISSUES BATMAN!"
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Post by ladyjanegrey on Oct 3, 2009 17:16:10 GMT -5
Inuyasha Kanketsu-hen is now playing every Sunday morning at 2:20am on NTV in Japan! Here's how to watch it: ShonenSunday.com (subtitled, new episodes up every Saturday evening) KeyHole TV (watch Japanese TV live streaming) Umm...., what time is that Pacific Daylight Savings Time? |
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Post by Patches on Oct 3, 2009 19:37:36 GMT -5
Inuyasha Kanketsu-hen is now playing every Sunday morning at 2:20am on NTV in Japan! Here's how to watch it: ShonenSunday.com (subtitled, new episodes up every Saturday evening) KeyHole TV (watch Japanese TV live streaming) Umm...., what time is that Pacific Daylight Savings Time? It's 1:20 in the afternoon Eastern time Saturday until we have our winter time change, then it'll be 12:20 Eastern. The raw version of Viz's episode is up on Hulu now, and unlike the one that aired on Japanese TV, theirs has a next episode preview on it, and... holy hell, it looks like they're somehow going to try to cram even MORE into that episode than they did the first one. I'm counting 18 chapters worth of material as a rough estimate. 202 chapters into 26 episodes means averaging 8 chapters an episode, but episode 1 had 13 and episode 2 will potentially have 18. Are they trying to get all the early stuff out of the way as fast as possible so they can take their time with the final battle or something? |
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Post by ladyjanegrey on Oct 3, 2009 20:25:12 GMT -5
It's 1:20 in the afternoon Eastern time Saturday until we have our winter time change, then it'll be 12:20 Eastern. The raw version of Viz's episode is up on Hulu now, and unlike the one that aired on Japanese TV, theirs has a next episode preview on it, and... holy hell, it looks like they're somehow going to try to cram even MORE into that episode than they did the first one. I'm counting 18 chapters worth of material as a rough estimate. 202 chapters into 26 episodes means averaging 8 chapters an episode, but episode 1 had 13 and episode 2 will potentially have 18. Are they trying to get all the early stuff out of the way as fast as possible so they can take their time with the final battle or something? Thanks. I actually found the raw, and was able to follow most of what was going on; didn't the part with Kohaku and that weird little thingy happen ........? Nah, never mind. It's been so long since I've read the manga, I don't remember what happened, when. I can't believe that they are going to kill Kagura off so soon!  I still hope they get the subs up soon, it's just easier for me to keep things straight. I kowtow ten thousand time!  |
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Post by ladyjanegrey on Oct 3, 2009 20:34:43 GMT -5
Oh! I almost forgot! The lead in after the title was hilarious! I almost fell out of my chair, I was laughing so hard! ;D
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Post by hanyounomiko on Oct 3, 2009 21:36:40 GMT -5
Holy shit, that was...really schizophrenic and rushed. The thing with Kohaku and Taichi was like "...huh? Why was that even necessary?" It's like why bother including that scene at all if you're just going to cut to Kagura attacking him? The bit where Sango confronts Kohaku was especially rushed, so that it lost all emotional impact. I'm definitely disappointed. DD:
On the other hand, at least I got to see it; as soon as the subtitled version went up, my power converter for my laptop blew out and I didn't have enough battery to watch the episode. DD: Luckily, my friend who lives across the hall heard me freaking out and lent me her charger for the time being.
Also the ending is FUCKING AMAZING. Holy crap.
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Post by Patches on Oct 4, 2009 4:21:42 GMT -5
Holy shit, that was...really schizophrenic and rushed. The thing with Kohaku and Taichi was like "...huh? Why was that even necessary?" It's like why bother including that scene at all if you're just going to cut to Kagura attacking him? The bit where Sango confronts Kohaku was especially rushed, so that it lost all emotional impact. I'm definitely disappointed. DD: I just hope they manage to pull off episode 2 without losing much impact, since now I know they ARE going to go all the way to Sesshoumaru losing Toukijin in that episode. Take a look at the trailer again. Toukijin is missing in the shot of Sesshoumaru about to draw Tenseiga (I noticed that the first time I saw the trailer and thought maybe it was just an error, but now... agh). The problem is... how? Sesshoumaru loses Toukijin because he gets angry at Mouryoumaru for mocking Kagura's death and loses his control. But now he'll be losing Toukijin before Kagura even dies. The only way I can think is if during the battle he either catches the scent of Kagura's blood or Mouryoumaru clues him in that Naraku's gonna kill her and he messes up. Then it would still give Toutousai reason to tell him that his heart's changed enough to give him Meidou Zangetsuha (which I'm also worried will come in episode 2 as well given that one scene in the trailer, and I can't imagine that the trailer would only take one scene from episode 3). But it still raises the question... WHAT IS THE HUGE RUSH?! They only need to be going half this fast to cover everything in 26 episodes! |
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Post by milareppa on Oct 4, 2009 7:54:40 GMT -5
I couldn't watch on Hulu - even with a proxy, so I've watched fan-subbed. I haven't seen the next-week preview as a result.
My thinking is that they're getting everything up to Kikyou's death and/or the Hell arc done in about 5-6 episodes, which will leave about 20 episodes in which to cover around 80-90 chapters. This will give us a much more manageable 4-5 chapters per episode.
The way they've done this episode, seems to be to ensure all the main characters (both good and bad) have been introduced using scenes and dialogue that will establish - in the shortest amount of time possible - who these characters are, what their personalities are like, and what their role in the story seems to be (with the major exceptions of Byakuya and Toutousai, both of whom we'll almost certainly see next week, and Kaede and Myouga). That would make the scene with Kohaku rescuing the boy leading into Kagura attacking him and then helping him escape was absolutely vital to establish his nature, his position and his problems - and hers as well. Which I think it did do.
Next week, I think we'll see Kagura's death at the beginning of the episode. Then the rest of the episode will deal with Inuyasha gaining Dragon-scale Tessaiga, Mouryoumaru gaining Kongousouha, Kouga gaining Goraishi, Kikyou gaining... well, Kohaku (lots of "gaining" anticipated for Episode 2 *g*), leading up to the big battle with Moryoumaru, Toukijin breaking, Tenseiga being reforged, and the episode ending with us seeing Meidou Zangetsuha and Kagura's wind for the first time, and Kouga probably having joined Inuyasha's group.
That'll give us Episode 3 of the two brothers struggling to master their swords, Naraku gaining his heart back, and Kikyou being targetted. Episode 4 will deal with Kikyou's death, Kouga's departure, and probably the lead in to the Hell arc and Kaou storyline, and perhaps Episode 5 dealing with Kanna's death, Hiraikotsu and Miroku/Sango.
By the start of Episode 6, we'll have caught up to Shishinki, bringing us to around Chapter 489.
This means they will have covered 132 chapters in about 5 episodes, which gives us 20 episodes in which to complete 69 chapters - a much more normal and manageable rate of 3-4 chapters per episode again.
This is what I'm currently thinking - it's the only thing I can think of to explain why they're galloping through chapters so fast right now. They're just setting up all the cards for the final battle, the resolution of the two swords, and Kagome's decision to live in the feudal era, and introducing us to the important characters - in other words, they're tying up loose ends from the old anime. Then they'll settle down to give us an anime-normal, rather than rushed, finale.
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Post by milareppa on Oct 4, 2009 8:27:58 GMT -5
I didn't notice that before. The reason I missed it, is because somehow my brain processed the sword as being Toukijin, and I utterly ignored the "missing" Tenseiga, as a result. Which makes absolutely no sense. My brain, you see, is a force unto itself.
Okay, perhaps Kagura's death won't be happening at the beginning of the battle instead then (although I still think it'll happen sooner in the epsiode rather than later).
There's a clip in the trailer of Sesshoumaru getting suddenly wide-eyed - shades of the third film, when the ghost of Dad appeared.
I suspect therefore that they'll do a twist on the manga event. We saw that in Chapter 371, Sesshoumaru was trailing Mouryoumaru and Naraku's heart, but gave up the trail when he caught the scent of Naraku and Kagura on the wind, and went charging off to be with Kagura. He was missing for three chapters until he appeared beside Kagura.
It's possible therefore, that the anime is going to play up Sesshoumaru catching Kagura's scent on the wind. We see Sesshoumaru's shocked expression and Tenseiga pulse in the trailer - the exact sequence is Kagura gets stabbed, Sesshoumaru's eyes widen, Tenseiga pulses. It could be that the sword's pulse is like "his heart skipping a beat"... or his eyes widening is like him being stabbed through the heart when Kagura is (I know in the manga she's not, but I'm not the sure anime will make the distinction - although they should)... something symbolically significant about his emotional state like that which will help explain the reforging of Tenseiga.
That three chapter gap between Sesshoumaru reacting to Naraku stabbing Kagura and actually reaching her side, could be where the anime decides to fit in the fight with Mouryoumaru. Mouryoumaru does all of his mocking, gets whacked by a very pissed off Sesshoumaru, who can still make it to Kagura's side before Inuyasha's group, because can fly much faster than they can move when he wants to.
The headache this causes, however, is how Kohaku ends up with Kikyou as a result, and how Inuyasha's group find out about it, as it was her presence during the Mouryoumaru battle that allowed the group to realise that Kohaku was travelling with Kikyou.
I'm a bit confused by the order in which they'll do things now you've pointed this problem out. However, I do think that where Tenseiga summoning Toutousai is concerned, it doesn't matter in which order the breaking of Toukijin and Kagura's death occur. As long as the anime makes it very clear that Kagura's death and the breaking of Toukijin are connected through his heart experiencing significant emotional distress over the situation then the order in which it happens is negotiable.
The potential problem a change in order does cause, however, is with the later Hell arc. Rin had to die for Sesshoumaru to understand the value of feeling fear and sorrow for a loved one when they're in trouble. With Kagura's death, Sesshoumaru clearly didn't understand what he was feeling until *after* the fact.
I suppose that's true for Rin as well, since his Eureka moment also occurred afterwards when his mother was lecturing him. However, to me, the major difference between his reaction to Kagura and Rin's deaths was this issue of self-awareness. Sesshoumaru only began to understand what he had lost after Mouryoumaru insulted Kagura's death. He was more aware of this while trying to get Rin back, although not aware enough - hence the lecture and eureka moment after Rin's body was recovered.
That would be my concern if Sesshoumaru breaks Toukijin before Kagura dies - it makes him too self-aware before Kagura's death, which potentially drains a little of the impact out of the future Rin situation.
Eh... I wonder how many more of these surprises they're going to spring on us?
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Post by ladyjanegrey on Oct 4, 2009 17:46:46 GMT -5
Or, maybe Tokijin is not there because someone forgot to draw it in? ;D
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Post by milareppa on Oct 4, 2009 18:06:18 GMT -5
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Post by Patches on Oct 5, 2009 7:44:58 GMT -5
Well, to shed some more light on how episode 2 is going to be handled, here's the summary of it from NTV's schedule:
After healing her wounds with Midoriko's soul, Kikyou reveals to Inuyasha the way to destroy Naraku. Meanwhile, Kouga undertakes an ordeal at the Yourouzoku graveyard. At the same time, Sesshoumaru catches the scent of Kagura's blood while confronting Mouryoumaru...
Also, NTV's schedule has Inuyasha playing at 26:50 this week instead of 26:20, so for those of you watching it live with KeyHole TV, be aware of that and don't panic if you turn it on at its regular broadcast time and get Onryuumon instead. It's been bumped back a half hour for some reason.
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Post by ladyjanegrey on Oct 5, 2009 18:50:15 GMT -5
Well, to shed some more light on how episode 2 is going to be handled, here's the summary of it from NTV's schedule: After healing her wounds with Midoriko's soul, Kikyou reveals to Inuyasha the way to destroy Naraku. Meanwhile, Kouga undertakes an ordeal at the Yourouzoku graveyard. At the same time, Sesshoumaru catches the scent of Kagura's blood while confronting Mouryoumaru...Also, NTV's schedule has Inuyasha playing at 26:50 this week instead of 26:20, so for those of you watching it live with KeyHole TV, be aware of that and don't panic if you turn it on at its regular broadcast time and get Onryuumon instead. It's been bumped back a half hour for some reason. Ummm..., it's been a long while since I read the manga, so I may have things mixed up, but didn't Mouryoumaru take Kouga's shards before he went to the graveyard? After all, that's why he went. In fact, didn't Kikyou/Midoriko cause Koga's loss? Of course, this is anime, and they usually mix things up good. As for the plot settings, there are several story arcs that could be left out, since they were not really relevant to the "big story." "Kinka and Ginka," "Examinee 77," and the Demon Cat Nun (or was it the Demon Nun Cat?  ) come to mind. So that would make some room to detail the more important stories. All though I would miss Examinee 77; it was one of my favorites. ;D |
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Post by milareppa on Oct 6, 2009 18:24:15 GMT -5
I believe Kouga still had his shards, but he went after Goraishi because his shards were now subject to Midoriko's will. Gaining Goraishi gave him the ancestors' protection against Midoriko's will for only one single use. He therefore still had the shards.
However, the anime are definitely juggling the order in which things happen. I don't mind that, as long as the core essence remains.
As to the Kitsune arc, I think their decision on what to with the arc will depend on what they want to do for the final episode. If they want to establish Shippou's future after the anime ends, then they'll want to mention his steady reintegration into Kitsune society through his taking of these exams, and how he has an excellent future ahead of him because he's doing so well in the exams. However, in order for that to make sense, the kitsune arc will be needed.
That seems to have been the point of putting the arc into the manga in the first place - not only is it amusing comedic relief from all the intensity surrounding the characters, but it's important in establishing Shippou has a future after the manga ends. I therefore believe their use, or abandonment, of the kitsune arc will depend on how they want to handle the final episode.
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) come to mind. So that would make some room to detail the more important stories. All though I would miss Examinee 77; it was one of my favorites. ;D